salaam all my sis + bro, let's u know my news recently, i spoke v my foreigner friend last nite. i was ashamed cos my foreigner friend.. he speaks Chinese fluently than me!! that y i ve decided to speak Chinese(Mandarin), Malay n Korean fluently!i'd like to learnin everything.. ya!i luv my study life! if.. ^_* not knowin Chinese,i ll fail to understand the Chinese culture!not knowin Chinese,i ll fail to understand of ourselves! not knowin Chinese,i dun even know that i could be missin la!! do u know,if u dun know Chinese in Hong Kong/Singapore, it's perfectly all right! but when u in Taiwan or China,if u dun speak Chinese..u r goin to face problems la! ^_^ being a Chinese/Malay, i ve to know my language!that y i decided to speak well! ya!this is my mother's tongue!my roots la! anway i ll study hard always!all my sis + bro,pls try ur best too!!never give up!! may Allah n my bless all v u!!smile v me always!
salaam all my sis + bro, let's u know my news recently, i spoke v my foreigner friend last nite. i was ashamed cos my foreigner friend.. he speaks Chinese fluently than me!! that y i ve decided to speak Chinese(Mandarin), Malay n Korean fluently!i'd like to learnin everything.. ya!i luv my study life! if.. ^_* not knowin Chinese,i ll fail to understand the Chinese culture!not knowin Chinese,i ll fail to understand of ourselves! not knowin Chinese,i dun even know that i could be missin la!! do u know,if u dun know Chinese in Hong Kong/Singapore, it's perfectly all right! but when u in Taiwan or China,if u dun speak Chinese..u r goin to face problems la! ^_^ being a Chinese/Malay, i ve to know my language!that y i decided to speak well! ya!this is my mother's tongue!my roots la! anway i ll study hard always!all my sis + bro,pls try ur best too!!never give up!! may Allah n my bless all v u!!smile v me always!
i do agree wif fatima..by learning arabic, she could recite & understand those surahs better than someone who not proficient on that language(Arabic). Regarding Suniya's comment on her part to learn chinese..i meant..Mandarin precisely for not understanding her mother's tongue..yup i do also agree that she hv to learn..basically not only for herself but also for her future kids.On her part to learn other language is not a must i would say but perhaps a BIG plus.
i do agree wif fatima..by learning arabic, she could recite & understand those surahs better than someone who not proficient on that language(Arabic). Regarding Suniya's comment on her part to learn chinese..i meant..Mandarin precisely for not understanding her mother's tongue..yup i do also agree that she hv to learn..basically not only for herself but also for her future kids.On her part to learn other language is not a must i would say but perhaps a BIG plus.
salaam my sis n bro ^_^ welcome to my blog n thx for ur commented! ya!specially thx for sis, fatima n bro, Zandabeel for ur nice commented! let's u know, my mama speaks Malay, Mandarin n English.. normally my papa speaks Mandarin n Cantonese v me n my brother.. exactly my mother tongue ^_^ Mandarin + Malay.. that y i'd like to learn more la..
salaam my sis n bro ^_^ welcome to my blog n thx for ur commented! ya!specially thx for sis, fatima n bro, Zandabeel for ur nice commented! let's u know, my mama speaks Malay, Mandarin n English.. normally my papa speaks Mandarin n Cantonese v me n my brother.. exactly my mother tongue ^_^ Mandarin + Malay.. that y i'd like to learn more la..
to give more concrete shape to what I wrote earlier, when I embraced Islam I went through a phase where I rejected everything westerner or Italian (to my parents' great chagrin). As I matured with the years, I recuperated whatever was in my roots and cultural background, proud of the good points of it, with a filter, whilst leaving out the non-negotiable aspects of kufr (thereby producing a greater closeness from my family).
`Ahmad
As-salaamu 'alaykum,
to give more concrete shape to what I wrote earlier, when I embraced Islam I went through a phase where I rejected everything westerner or Italian (to my parents' great chagrin). As I matured with the years, I recuperated whatever was in my roots and cultural background, proud of the good points of it, with a filter, whilst leaving out the non-negotiable aspects of kufr (thereby producing a greater closeness from my family).
Wa-'alaykumus-salaam sayyidah Faatimah. I respectfully disagree with some of the inferential extensions you make from your sound premise. The point that Islaam is Allaah's Deen and as such ABOVE geographical, territorial and cultural-linguistic roots is correct. However, some of the corollaries of it do not relate thematically to that premise. Allaah has set up mankind's existence according to His Sunnah. One Sunnah is spelled out clearly in Soorah al-Hujuraat and attested to by all we see in this world, past or present: "We have made you into nations and tribes so that you can get to know each other". The two go together. The second transcends prejudiced clinging to one's sha`b or nation. But it is His Sunnah He created us in national or tribal groupings. That He brought us into being in families, not aloof and isolated. The Deen is above such microcosms, but Allaah created them because there is good in association, belonging, appertunance to a bonded unit. Abu Bakr was a renowned genealogist. That did not mean he followed the misguided ways of the ancestors in the tribal lineages he mastered. The renowned Follower Ibn Shihaab az-Zuhri, who dictated hadeeth from memory, was said never to have been seen with a book save with one book by his bedside where he recorded all the known genealogy of his clan. That does not mean he accepted the jaahiliyyah of those among them who belonged to that genealogical tree. Imam Maalik lambasted the historian Ibn Ishaaq for the latter's baseless allegation that the Imam's ancestry was not from royalty in Yemen but from freed slaves. The mufassiroon painfully recorded pre-Islamic poetry in their exegetical efforts to understand the Qur`aanic vocabulary, without vetting pre-Islamic modes of being. 'Umar wrote to Mu`aadh b. Jabal "learn Arabic" and his son 'Abdullaah b. 'Umar used to beat his son if he committed grammatical mistakes in his speech. So your mastering the cluster of languages of your forefathers connects you to your being, for Allaah created you with that which He assigned to you in this transient world. He did not create you in a void. To master them and to take the good aspects of your genetically and culturally inherited roots in no way entails following the unislamic aspects of it. It's a non sequitur. In the said `aayah, by contrast, there is a sequitur. "He created you in tribes and nations". Achieve ma`rifah, knowledge, of who you are. "So that you can lend recognition (= li-ta`aarafoo) to one another". So that your broaden your ma`rifah to embrace the other, and his peculiar roots He likewise set up in existence by His Sunnah.
`Ahmad
Wa-'alaykumus-salaam sayyidah Faatimah. I respectfully disagree with some of the inferential extensions you make from your sound premise. The point that Islaam is Allaah's Deen and as such ABOVE geographical, territorial and cultural-linguistic roots is correct. However, some of the corollaries of it do not relate thematically to that premise. Allaah has set up mankind's existence according to His Sunnah. One Sunnah is spelled out clearly in Soorah al-Hujuraat and attested to by all we see in this world, past or present: "We have made you into nations and tribes so that you can get to know each other". The two go together. The second transcends prejudiced clinging to one's sha`b or nation. But it is His Sunnah He created us in national or tribal groupings. That He brought us into being in families, not aloof and isolated. The Deen is above such microcosms, but Allaah created them because there is good in association, belonging, appertunance to a bonded unit. Abu Bakr was a renowned genealogist. That did not mean he followed the misguided ways of the ancestors in the tribal lineages he mastered. The renowned Follower Ibn Shihaab az-Zuhri, who dictated hadeeth from memory, was said never to have been seen with a book save with one book by his bedside where he recorded all the known genealogy of his clan. That does not mean he accepted the jaahiliyyah of those among them who belonged to that genealogical tree. Imam Maalik lambasted the historian Ibn Ishaaq for the latter's baseless allegation that the Imam's ancestry was not from royalty in Yemen but from freed slaves. The mufassiroon painfully recorded pre-Islamic poetry in their exegetical efforts to understand the Qur`aanic vocabulary, without vetting pre-Islamic modes of being. 'Umar wrote to Mu`aadh b. Jabal "learn Arabic" and his son 'Abdullaah b. 'Umar used to beat his son if he committed grammatical mistakes in his speech. So your mastering the cluster of languages of your forefathers connects you to your being, for Allaah created you with that which He assigned to you in this transient world. He did not create you in a void. To master them and to take the good aspects of your genetically and culturally inherited roots in no way entails following the unislamic aspects of it. It's a non sequitur. In the said `aayah, by contrast, there is a sequitur. "He created you in tribes and nations". Achieve ma`rifah, knowledge, of who you are. "So that you can lend recognition (= li-ta`aarafoo) to one another". So that your broaden your ma`rifah to embrace the other, and his peculiar roots He likewise set up in existence by His Sunnah.
My mother language is Finnish. I was in Beijing many years. In my very first year I was able to talk everyday life things in Mandarin Chinese. Now my level is much better and I understood Chinese and speak it fluently. Even my mother language is very different from Chinese, I learnt it, so I think if you are motivated to study Chinese, you will learn it. Good luck with your studies! :)
Salam sis,
My mother language is Finnish. I was in Beijing many years. In my very first year I was able to talk everyday life things in Mandarin Chinese. Now my level is much better and I understood Chinese and speak it fluently. Even my mother language is very different from Chinese, I learnt it, so I think if you are motivated to study Chinese, you will learn it. Good luck with your studies! :)
Quote: " Without roots branches don't shoot up, flowers don't blossom and fruits don't ripen..."
I used to think the same previously about roots... but not anymore....
Yes we should respect our heritager but it is not a necessity to insist to connect to our roots because Islam is not about roots.
Islam it is about the correct way of living and of worshipping our Creator, irrespective of the color of our skin, the language we speak or the name of our father or grandfather.......
If i were to follow my roots, they would insist i follow the religion of my parents, which is the religion of their parents, which is the religion of all my forefathers and...... they would insist i carry out whatever traditions, expectations and customs that my roots are planted in... and i am not keen on ripening these type of fruits.....
assalamualaikum brother Zandabeel
Quote: " Without roots branches don't shoot up, flowers don't blossom and fruits don't ripen..."
I used to think the same previously about roots... but not anymore....
Yes we should respect our heritager but it is not a necessity to insist to connect to our roots because Islam is not about roots.
Islam it is about the correct way of living and of worshipping our Creator, irrespective of the color of our skin, the language we speak or the name of our father or grandfather.......
If i were to follow my roots, they would insist i follow the religion of my parents, which is the religion of their parents, which is the religion of all my forefathers and...... they would insist i carry out whatever traditions, expectations and customs that my roots are planted in... and i am not keen on ripening these type of fruits.....
I think its great that you want to learn Mandarin, Malay and Korean fluently. I think its amazing and iam glad that you decided to do so. I actually had a similar problem before because i grew up in South Africa and i wasnt as exposed to my real language (Urdu) although we spoke it at home. I ended up doing the same thing and studied my language farther. Iam no great philosopher or anything you know but there is a famous hadith of the holy prophet who said "Attain knowledge from the cradle to the grave." The prophet then said "acquire knowledge if you have to travel to China." (haha you travelled from Singapore to China recently if iam not mistaken so i guess you are in the right place lol :P). I think its great that you have it planned out and want to start somewhere so you can always progress from there and do more things you want to afterwards. I am trying to read up on medieval islamic history myself now because itll establish a base from which i can study and understand things more and more afterwards - any recommendations PLEASE let me know? Anyways i really wish you luck on this and best thing of all dont give up cuz you'll get there eventually / Salaams
heyy / thanks for the invite :)
I think its great that you want to learn Mandarin, Malay and Korean fluently. I think its amazing and iam glad that you decided to do so. I actually had a similar problem before because i grew up in South Africa and i wasnt as exposed to my real language (Urdu) although we spoke it at home. I ended up doing the same thing and studied my language farther. Iam no great philosopher or anything you know but there is a famous hadith of the holy prophet who said "Attain knowledge from the cradle to the grave." The prophet then said "acquire knowledge if you have to travel to China." (haha you travelled from Singapore to China recently if iam not mistaken so i guess you are in the right place lol :P). I think its great that you have it planned out and want to start somewhere so you can always progress from there and do more things you want to afterwards. I am trying to read up on medieval islamic history myself now because itll establish a base from which i can study and understand things more and more afterwards - any recommendations PLEASE let me know? Anyways i really wish you luck on this and best thing of all dont give up cuz you'll get there eventually / Salaams
hi it's shayan...thnx 4r buzz me..i was study in malaysia in INTI collage 2 year's so i miss malaysia.. now i'm in ma home country in BD. n countinue my business. i dnt like this site..most often i do visit in hi5..if u hav any account dn buzz me there.. ma add is
okii wish we knw each other very soon ..
hi it's shayan...thnx 4r buzz me..i was study in malaysia in INTI collage 2 year's so i miss malaysia.. now i'm in ma home country in BD. n countinue my business. i dnt like this site..most often i do visit in hi5..if u hav any account dn buzz me there.. ma add is
I respectfully disagree and agree with Suniya. The classical Muslims said speech was the mirror of the soul and that a handsome youth with a twisted speech was an empty shell, and deprecated his like. They said learn i`raab and be eloquent. Ezra Pound lambasted the people who distorted English saying "those perverts, those perverts who pervert our language". The philosophers defined the human being as the naatiq creature, the one articulating speech in expressing himself / herself. And of course the Prophet, Sallallaahu 'alayhi wa-Sallam, said he was the most eloquent of all the Arabs = in his language, and that was a source of pride. Knowledge and sound application of your own language connects you to your essential root (or roots, or tripartite root like the three-language Fatima 22). Without roots branches don't shoot up, flowers don't blossom and fruits don't ripen. Mastering our languages is then a welcome plus built on that foundation.
As-salaamu 'alaykum,
I respectfully disagree and agree with Suniya. The classical Muslims said speech was the mirror of the soul and that a handsome youth with a twisted speech was an empty shell, and deprecated his like. They said learn i`raab and be eloquent. Ezra Pound lambasted the people who distorted English saying "those perverts, those perverts who pervert our language". The philosophers defined the human being as the naatiq creature, the one articulating speech in expressing himself / herself. And of course the Prophet, Sallallaahu 'alayhi wa-Sallam, said he was the most eloquent of all the Arabs = in his language, and that was a source of pride. Knowledge and sound application of your own language connects you to your essential root (or roots, or tripartite root like the three-language Fatima 22). Without roots branches don't shoot up, flowers don't blossom and fruits don't ripen. Mastering our languages is then a welcome plus built on that foundation.
hi sunniya thanks for inviting me to your blogs..it's kinda interesting to read your blog..well mothers tongue..I don't even see any urgency to know deeply what our mother tongue is..but to know more other languages is perfectly important..I think you're on the right path...you're doin right..never give up to learn...good luck..wassalam
hi sunniya thanks for inviting me to your blogs..it's kinda interesting to read your blog..well mothers tongue..I don't even see any urgency to know deeply what our mother tongue is..but to know more other languages is perfectly important..I think you're on the right path...you're doin right..never give up to learn...good luck..wassalam
on another note. True the Prophet, Sallallaahu 'alayhi wa-Sallam, teaches us that whatever (lawful)we do we must seek to do proficiently. But isn't it also true that we have to accept to make failures and do some things bad, for perfection is only Divine? Aren't we all too hard on ourselves?
As-salaamu 'alaykum,
on another note. True the Prophet, Sallallaahu 'alayhi wa-Sallam, teaches us that whatever (lawful)we do we must seek to do proficiently. But isn't it also true that we have to accept to make failures and do some things bad, for perfection is only Divine? Aren't we all too hard on ourselves?
so which exactly is your mother tongue? Mandarin Chinese or Malay? Who speaks Mandarin Chinese? Is it less spoken than Cantonese Chinese? How one says hello in Malay?
As-salaamu 'alaykum,
so which exactly is your mother tongue? Mandarin Chinese or Malay? Who speaks Mandarin Chinese? Is it less spoken than Cantonese Chinese? How one says hello in Malay?
I've got indian, spanish and chinese heritage but i don't speak any of these languages! That means I don't know my mother's tongue, my father's tongue, nor my grandparents' tongues!!! LOL!
But it does not mean i do not know the cultures of my roots...I also like cooking the various dishes and i love the costumes!!
My main interest now is to learn arabic, so i could understand the surahs better when i hear the imams recite in congregational prayers. And i also find that if i know arabic it helps to communicate with muslims whenever i travel.
When i was in thailand, japan and turkey, the little arabic words i knew helped me to communicate with some of the local ladies at the mosques. I find it amazing how Allah, the Exalted, can connect the different races with the language of the Quran!!
But it is very good that you intend to master your mother tongue, your roots..
Keep the enthusiasm and i am sure you will be successful. Wish you all the best!
Assalamualaikum,
I've got indian, spanish and chinese heritage but i don't speak any of these languages! That means I don't know my mother's tongue, my father's tongue, nor my grandparents' tongues!!! LOL!
But it does not mean i do not know the cultures of my roots...I also like cooking the various dishes and i love the costumes!!
My main interest now is to learn arabic, so i could understand the surahs better when i hear the imams recite in congregational prayers. And i also find that if i know arabic it helps to communicate with muslims whenever i travel.
When i was in thailand, japan and turkey, the little arabic words i knew helped me to communicate with some of the local ladies at the mosques. I find it amazing how Allah, the Exalted, can connect the different races with the language of the Quran!!
But it is very good that you intend to master your mother tongue, your roots..
Keep the enthusiasm and i am sure you will be successful. Wish you all the best!
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